1st National Convention: Business Meeting
Saturday, July 15, 1967: 10 am
Salvation Army Hall,
117 West High Street, Springfield, Ohio
Structuring the internal Ministerial activities
Institute of Divine Metaphysical Research (IDMR)
for world wide expansion.
This is the transcript of the first international meeting of IDMR
in Springfield, Ohio 1967.
Here is presented the comments of the founder and dean
Dr. Henry Clifford Kinley Speaks:
------------ This Is The Truth
Now look, there’s
another thing I want to put before you, (and I want it understood, crystal clearly, no misunderstandings about it)
this is the truth. And our objective and purpose for the establishment of the institution is to propagate it not
only in Springfield, or in states in which we’re incorporated, or in the United States, wherein we do at this
time abide, but we want it to go around the world. And that’s what your job is (the ministers, trustees and
staff members): is to help us to publish, and to propagate, to defend, to uphold, and to endorse all over the world,
because we claim, we say, that this is it. Now is that clearly understood? I think and believe, that everybody ought
to do their uttermost, make all kinds of sacrifices necessary, even to the loss of your life, to defend this truth.
I want you to be fully conscious of that.
------------ The Weapons Of Our
This is not a play thing. And the weapons of our
warfare, they are not carnal. This is not a military establishment. We don’t want to, don’t choose to,
and don’t care to fight with military weapons in nobody’s army: not to defend nobody’s country,
(you understand me clear?) but we will fight to defend the truth that we are teaching in this institution, fight anybody
anywhere in the world or on earth, or if it be, a creature just drop down from heaven, we will fight. We do challenge
the world; and when I say that, I’m not talking about with the exceptions or exclusions of anybody. We will
fight, and I mean fight it on to the death. As the apostle Paul said, ‘brethren, I beseech you, by the mercies
of God, that you present your body a living sacrifice, acceptable unto God,’ which is not out of reason, ‘which
is your reasonable service.’ You have enlisted, by choice, in the real genuine, divinely endorsed Salvation
============ We Do Want You To Recognize That This Is A School
1st National Convention: Business Meeting
First National Convention: Business
Saturday, July 15, 1967: 10 Am
Salvation Army Hall,
117 West High Street, Springfield, Ohio
Remembering That Your Obligation Is Not To Me
Not only ___ I wish
and hope, and trust that you will be faithful, without alibis and excuses, in performances of your duty, fully conscious
and remembering that your obligation is not to me, is not to Carl F. Gross, to Dr. Harris, or to Sister Mary Gross,
but it is to Yahweh Himself, and we want to act like it and be faithful: undergo, if necessary, persecutions
and all types of affliction. We want to behave and conduct ourselves in such a way that we can be listened to and
respected by the general public. I’m sorry, but I have to make our position clear: crystal clear, understood?
And we want each and every minister that is propagating the doctrine, preaching the gospel, universally so, we want
them to be in harmony with one another. We don’t want to bind nobody’s conscience. We want them to feel
free to speak; speak by the permission of the Holy Spirit; speak the truth, tell the truth just like it is.
----------- True Spiritualism Versus Materialism
there is some things that the world out here does not understand. They confuse and mix up: true spiritualism with
materialism. Now this is what I mean; I’ll make myself clear. Some are talking about your habits and your menu:
what it should be, what you should eat and what you should not eat, what you should drink and what you should not drink,
in order to be a Christian. Well, I’m here to tell you, and I do want it crystal clear that we are not trying
to set up no menu. What somebody eats is strictly their business and what they drink is strictly their business.
Listen.., I’m aware of this one fact and I want you to be aware of it: that every man qualified to preach
the gospel should know, that is if he has the Holy Spirit, when he has ate enough of anything; he ought to know;
and when he has drank enough of anything. Now if he can’t decide that and can’t determine that by the
Holy Spirit in him, he’ll never make it. Do you understand what I’m talking about?
STUDENT BODY: Yes.
DR. KINLEY: Now the Messiah did not
die for lust, passions, and appetites, and what not; he was not crucified for that. And by you not participating
or indulging in any of the so called vices, such as, smoking, chewing tobacco, drinking intoxicating beverages and
so forth and so on, I want to make it clear, he did not die for that; and when you have taken of or abstained from,
that is no sign, not in this organization, that you are what they call a Christian. We are not going to judge you
about that. Now the clothes you wear, whether you wear a necktie or leave it off, and such things, we’re not
here to gag at gnats and swallow at camels. Now you know what I mean by that? I mean some people feel and think that since
they have quit this, quit that, they have taken off their neckties, their stick pins, their color off of their face,
and all those kind of things: now that’s what they call saved. I don’t: now I’m saying, with it
on or off, partake or abstain, as far as this institution is concerned. Unless you have repented and apologized
to Yahweh--not to me, or to the person whom you have offended, you’re still lost, as far as this organization
is concerned. We want that crystal clear and understood.
---------- So Far As Marriage Is Concerned
I do think that so far as this marriage is concerned: (I think I should mention these things) to go downtown and
get a piece of paper from the civil courts and all that (the marriage license) to give you the right, the matrimonial
right to stand under the laws of that state, to be recognized as man and wife. Now as far as I’m concerned, that
will not do the job. Now to us, what a marriage is: is when you have love one for another, regardless of your color,
your skin, for one another: the male towards the female and the female towards the male. That’s what a marriage
Now I’d like to correlate that, so there won’t be no misunderstanding:
that is the marriage of the Lamb. Now, so far as the flesh is concerned in all nations, we are to begin with one
flesh and one blood, and we hop and trust that we can all be of the one spirit, united to Yahweh and to Christ as
the true bride. Now that’s what a marriage is to me. But now I don’t want to be misunderstood there
either. As I have already stated, we do want you to abide by the civil law: go down and get the piece of paper, the
piece of paper, go through the ceremonial observations of it, so far as ___ that part of it is concerned, as much
as is possible, as much as is possible. Where it is not possible: I do not think, I would have to wait on the court
to convene for somebody to sign a piece of paper for me.
Now, me, I want to
let you know about myself. As the position which I am occupying, and I have told you that I was sent in the world
specifically for the purpose of which I am carrying out. I consider, in the divine sense of the word, that all of
you are my bride, my wife, my responsibility; and I’m married too; and I don’t seek no divorce,
STUDENT BODY: (LAUGHS)
--------- This School And
Why It Was Established
DR. KINLEY: and there will be none.
I just wanna make those things clear. Now, what I am doing at this time is stating the primary objectives of this
school. Why it was established. And we do want you to recognize that it is a school, not a church. Now that brings
me to the point where I have to give you the definition and make the distinction between what a school and a church
is. Now the church, which is incorrectly stated, it should be congregation and assembly, now that’s what the
word church originally meant. That’s the true divine etymological or original meaning of the word church is:
congregation or assembly.
And that first one was back in the wilderness. The
speaker was Yahweh, who gave the law from Mount Sinai. Now that was the first congregation and assembly Yahweh addressed
and made the first covenant. Now you understand that. Now that’s what the church is: now that was a.., under
the dispensation of the law, that’s what it was, was in the wilderness of Sinai, in the Arabian desert, 1490
before the birth of Yahshua the Messiah. That’s the first.
I Will Build My Church
Now the second: as the Messiah
said, ‘upon this rock I will build my church,’ or my congregation, assembly. Now that’s the new spiritual
part. Now listen, since He said He was going to build it, I’ll just let Him have His job. He puts in it, according
to the Acts of the Apostles, such as should be saved. Now since He’s engaged in that job of putting them in,
taking them out, we want to let you know that we’re not going to worry with or about it in this organization.
We’re just going to let Him have that job. So then you know, I am not trying to build a church. Now that’s
the church I’m talking about. It’s not our purpose, not our aims, not our objectives to build a church.
Now if you understand now that the word congregation and assembly means: that’s what is meant by the church.
Now this is a congregation or assembly in the true sense of the word.
And each one that becomes a partaker of the spirit then they are in there by virtue of the fact that they are placed
in there by Yahweh Himself and are members of the body in particular; and that was not by popular vote or election.
STUDENT BODY: (LAUGHS)
---------- All Speak The Same Thing And Be Perfectly Joined Together In The Same Mind
DR. KINLEY: I just want to get these things clear, so we don’t get confused, so that we will all speak
the same thing and be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same spirit. But this institution, the
difference between it and the church is this: we’re calling this a school and it is chartered as a school
under the state laws and under the federal constitution of this country, chartered by it. No matriculation fees,
no enrollment fees; and anybody, irrespective and regardless of race, color, sex, creed or what not is welcome.
So then, understand now, this is a school where you come to learn; and I don’t think anybody anywhere on earth,
including the President of the United States, or the President of the UN, or the Pope of Rome, or Bishop Ramsey,
Archbishop of Canterbury..., I don’t think any of them should turn up their noses at it and call themselves
excluded, Kings and Queens. I’m talking about in the school, not talking about salvation now, I’m talking
about in the school: place of hypocrites, liars, backbiters, skeptics, atheists, agnostics and what not. Everybody
is invited to come and attend the school that they may learn and know something of Yahweh..., everybody.
Now, I think I have made myself clear there, thus far, so at this time I’m going to
ask Dr. Harris to read the primary constitutional objectives of this institution, what our purpose is.
----------- The Primary Constitutional Objectives Of The Institution
DR. ROBERT HARRIS: The primary constitutional objectives of the institution are as follows: first:
to find and know Yahweh as He really is and actually exists second: to form a nucleus of universal brotherhood of
humanity without distinction of race, creed, sex, caste or color third: to investigate the unexplained spirit law
or so called law of nature and the powers latent in man fourth: to encourage and promote the study of the scriptures,
comparative religions, psychology, philosophy, and modern, practical and occult science five: to extirpate current
superstition, skepticism, and ignorance six: to learn, know and understand the operation of Yahweh’s eternal
purpose through the dispensations and ages seven: to discern and avoid being deceived by Lucifer, the serpent, the
Devil or Satan and his demons operating the Mystery of Iniquity on earth through the dispensations of time number
eight: to inherit eternal life, now, in the kingdom of Yahshua the Messiah, with the hope of immortal glorification
in the new earth state Watchword is peace and the slogan speak the truth.
KINLEY: Thank you Dr. Harris, vice president, for stating what our objectives are. Now we hope and trust that you
will understand conclusively what the objectives of the institution are. I think I have tried to explain in simplicity
and in reality about what the institution was established for. I’ve made it clear. What we intend to do is
to abide by the state law, constitutional laws of this country, as long as it does not conflict with the spiritual
law or commandments of Yahweh. We’ll try to do that, just remember that.
------------- The Necessity Of Your Obedience
on the agenda I think it would be my duty to tell you this. The urgency and the necessity of your obedience to the
things in which we have just stated and for you to be fully aware of the time in which you live, in the Dispensations
Now, I think you should be aware, I think you should be mindful,
I think it is my duty to tell you, and I want to tell you real brief. This day, July the 15th, corresponds in the
English year to October the 15th, in which under the dispensation of the law, it was the feast of tabernacles. We
wrote to you, wrote it in our book, Solomon reserved the dedication of the temple until the feast of tabernacles; and on
that day it was dedicated. That means this: that was 1490 years when the children of Israel come out of Egypt, it
was 1490 years before the birth of the Messiah. The foundation for that temple, Solomon’s temple, was laid
in the 480th year after they came out of Egypt. They were 7 years in the building. That would be 487 years. It was
finished to be ___ 7 years and one half. Now then, we come into 487 ½ years, Solomon reserved the dedication
of it until the 490th year. 490th year after they come out of Egypt, Solomon dedicated the temple; and that was
not 1005 years, but it was 1000 years before the birth of the Messiah. I’m making this thing real clear.
------------ You’re In Here To Work
Now the scheme and the purpose of God covered a period of 6000 years (counting one day with Him
as 1000 years and 1000 as one day.) Now He worked 6 days creating this universe; that is the way it was revealed
to Moses. And according to the very best of chronologists that we have, Asher, Ussher, Hastings, ___, we are now
1967 years. Now I just took the 4 years off, just wiped it off; otherwise, it would be 1971. If you take it from
one side, you put it on the other, or take it completely off. I’ll tell you more about how that error was made,
later on as we go into our services. That’s ___ I’ll show you how by chart and blackboard and what not.
But what we want you to know today is that if you add the 4000 years and then 1967 years after the birth, you will
find yourself pretty well spent on the time that you have to do anything; and whatsoever you do, you will be compelled
to do it in a hurry because we are going to bring this thing to a close.
you want to believe what Yahweh said and what He promised: that is a new heaven and a new earth, and this one will
be renovated by fire; and I do mean that all the Cadillac’s, the penthouses, and everything which we so busily
engage ourselves and use up all our time to build up, plus the fact that as Solomon said, ‘all of the labor
of a man under the sun is for his belly and yet his appetite is not satisfied,’ and Paul picks it up and says
this, talking about the Gentiles and those that did not know God among the Jews, he said their God was their belly.
Now we don’t want to be no belly worshippers; we don’t want to be no idolaters. And we do look forward
as Peter put it, talking about the disintegration or the dissolving of this, said, ‘nevertheless we, according
to His prophecy, look for a new heaven and a new earth, according to His promise.’ We look for that. Now since
we have spent 4000 years before and 1967 years thereafter, then you don’t have much time to do anything. And He
said He was going to cut this one short; and we take Him at His word.
we’re conscious of the fact that we’re not just electing somebody or putting somebody in here just to
say, ‘well look, I’m a so and so and so and so of that organization.‘ You’re in here to work,
and work right on down to the last minute, fully conscious of what it is all about. Now that is the purpose of this
------------- 1960 Was The End
I want to make this statement too. The end was 1960. We’re in 1960. Pentecost
about 9 o’clock in the morning, June the 6th by your calendar. 1960 was the end. That was the day. Now that’s
past and gone. Is that right?
STUDENT BODY: Right.
DR. KINLEY: So that you don’t sleep, so that you stay wide awake, that in the close of each
age (I mean before the flood, and I do mean the Messiah coming in to fulfill the law) He gave those people opportunities
to accept. That was a probationary period. And now from 1960 down until this present time which we have used up
7 years of it, already past and gone of that probationary period. Do you understand? Now we’ll go into these
things more deeper in the meetings to come, but we want you to be conscious that you have lived 7 years now of your
Now those of you that wanna know something about it; look
at your 24th chapter of Matthew and the last few verses there. Take a look at it (which we have been trying to
get over to you) and read the whole chapter, and right while you’re in it, 24th chapter of Matthew, read the
21st chapter of Luke; read the 13th chapter of Mark: now, just in case you don’t know what I’m talking
----------- Keep On Fighting, Trying To Clarify
listen folks.., listen..., now what is going on now in the Middle East and around in the world, but most primarily
in the Middle East and the Far East, is nothing else, I would have you to know, that it is nothing other than just
another reflection, calling your attention to what I am telling you as of now. It is true; it is verified, and confirmed:
and what I mean by that is by your migratory pattern. Somebody always is willing to say, ‘well, I don’t
believe that stuff.’ Well the stuff’s going on over there now, and my job is to keep you from being
stupid. And if you go back and check ___ ___ ___ that reflection and all right straight through it. And I do mean
day by day, you will find it just like it is described in the Bible. Now that’s not something to guess about.
It’s a fact. It’s known all over the world, in the newspaper, on the television, and everything else.
Now when you don’t know, since this is the 15th, whether you don’t know whether this was going to be the
day or not: the Messiah was to come down or the earth would be renovated.
there’s other times that’s come up. Feast days that come up, yet to come this year. Understand? That’s
in the regular, routine operation of it. You know what I mean by that: I mean that every year it has passed, it
has come up. But now, those things prophesied. Now Paul said this, ‘whether there be tongues, they shall cease;
whether there be prophesies they shall fail.’ Now Yahweh Himself set this up and these things happen. But
in the regular course of operation, each year they come up, and every 50 years was the year of Jubilee. Now this
is the 50th year, the year of Jubilee.
------------ To His satisfaction,
Do you understand?
I’ll tell you more about that, but now, this
is what I want to point out. I want you to do some calculus. It’s going to fail to come up in the cycles,
because this could be the year that the next don’t come; and instead of the next one coming up as it has been
in the past, it will fail. Do you understand? And then the tongues have ceased, and then here’s where the tongue
begins after its cessation, the hostilities in battle and as I live saith the Lord. It doesn’t make any difference
what language, whether it be Hebrew, Greek, Latin, Aramaic or what not, since it all come from Yahweh, every tongue
and every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess to the satisfaction and to the glorification of Yahweh,
to His satisfaction. Do you understand? That is compulsory; that is mandatory.
I want you to see now that your 5900 of the 6000 has passed and gone. And I further want you to know that you will
not see another, in the cycles of time; you will not see another 50 years or a year of jubilee. Now I hope everybody
understands what I’m talking about. That if you are to have any faith or any confidence in Yahweh Himself,
which the people call god, if you’re going to exercise any faith in it at all, you believe that you will execute
authority to function, which He has fulfilled right down the line. If you have any faith, any confidence in it, you
have not looked forward to a continuation. You have not looked forward to that, because you don’t have no
promise to that effect. You understand what I’m talking about.
again I want to mention this. It’s dangerous for anybody to procrastinate and be jeopardized: be alert, be
aware, be faithful, be diligent, be punctual. Your obligations are not to me or to somebody else, it is to Yahweh;
and it is He that has placed you in the positions that you’re in. It was not me, as a man, I say it. Now you be
conscious of that. Wrestle right on down to expect to be saved; and if you don’t possess those qualifications
according to the way I laid them down to you then you’re disqualified to begin with.
-------------- Are there any questions?
Now if there’s
any interrogations, any catechizing, or any questions about it, I’d be happy and glad to answer your questions.
If not, then I will turn the service back into the hands of your president, Dr. Carl F. Gross. Are there any questions?
Raise your hand, don’t be afraid. That’s what this meeting is all about. Anything I haven’t made
clear, I hope to do so; and for your benefit, I will reiterate or explain.
that’s what it’s all about. That’s what this meeting is all about. These, from today on through
these 7 days. You find that in, what chapter is that in Leviticus?
DR. KINLEY: 23rd chapter of Leviticus. Just take the whole chapter,
don’t be too afraid, don’t be too stingy to read. Find all of these things that is right in there: the
dates, and times, and what not, and how many days this was to be. You will find that that is what this convention
is doing, is observing the preparation for the last battle, the last fight, the last stand before the close of this
age, before the fireworks. Don’t go to sleep on it: don’t let the devil deceive you. You heard the vice
president, Dr. Robert Harris, read to you. Don’t go to sleep, don’t spare anything, do all you can to
propagate, to preach the gospel throughout the universe, and listen.., then it won’t be you preaching, it’s
the Holy Spirit speaking through you. When that job is done, then comes the end. You understand what I mean. Now
we have put the book out and it has gone over the world, but that’s no justification for setting down and saying,
‘well look, I’m retired now.’ Uh, uh. We’re going to fight down to the wire. We’re
going to keep on fighting, trying to clarify. No more apologies to Satan for nothing; we’re not trying to
cooperate with him at all. We’re going to fight him, refuse to apologize to anybody on earth, including whoever
it is you think is in authority now. Do you understand? Now have I got the convention straight before us: Have we
got it straight before us.
Alright! So then, if there’s no questions,
then I turn the meeting back in Dr. Gross’s hands, your president, Dr. Carl F. Gross.